I received a forward this morning that appears to have been going around for at least 4 years telling me to “Be Aware of This Book” Similar to this hoax notice at BreakTheChain.org
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BEWARE OF THIS BOOK!!!
If you have children, grandchildren, or you have neighbor children whose parents you know, please take note of the info below or pass it along to
others. Schools are a distribution point to children for this book through the Scholastic Book Club.
Beware of the book, Conversations with God.
Dr. James Dobson talked about this book twice this week. It is devastating and parents and Christian schools need to be aware of this. Do pass it on to church/e-mail addressees, Parents, Grand parents, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, friends.
Please pay special attention not only to what your kids watch on TV and in movie theaters and the music they listen to, but we must also be alert regarding the books they read.
Two particular books, Conversations with God and Conversations with God for Teens, written by Neale D. Walsch, sound harmless enough by their titles alone. These books have been on the New York Times best sellers list for a number of weeks, and these publications make truth of the statement, “Don’t judge a book by its cover/title.”
The author purports to answer various questions from kids using the “voice of God”. However, the “answers” that he gives are not Bible-based and go against the very infallible word of God. For instance (and I paraphrase), when a girl asks the question “Why am I a lesbian?” His answer is that she was born that way because of genetics (just as you were born right-handed, with blue eyes, etc.). Then he tells her to go out and “celebrate” her differences.
Another girls poses the question “I am living with my boyfriend. My parents say that I should marry him because I am living in sin. Should I marry him?”
His reply is, “Who are you sinning against? Not me, because you have done nothing wrong.”
Another question asks about God’s forgiveness of sin. His reply “I do not forgive anyone because there is nothing to forgive. There is no such thing as right or wrong and that is what I have been trying to tell everyone; do not judge people. People have chosen to judge one another and this is wrong, because the rule is “‘judge not lest ye be judged.”
And the list goes on. Not only are these books the false doctrine of devils, but in some instances even quote (in error) the Word of God. These books (and others like it) are being sold to schoolchildren (The Scholastic Book Club), and we need to be aware of what is being fed to our children.
Our children are under attack. So I pray that you be sober and vigilant about teaching your children the Word of God, and guarding their exposure to worldly mediums. Our adversary, the Devil, roams about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8) And how many of us know that lions usually hunt for the slowest, and weakest and YOUNGEST of its prey.
Pass this on to every Believer you know. God bless! And, if in doubt, look at the books yourself.
Galatians 6:9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we faint not.
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Dobson’s supposed authorship has been stripped from the email I received and the questions are different, but it’s basically the same thing rehashed.
From what I can see, it’s not a good book but sending bogus emails to spread the word does no one any good.
Popularity: 54% [?]
December 12th, 2007 at 6:39 am
Organised religions are exactly that – organised. Crowd control for the masses.
The bible that you all hold so dear was totally rewritten at the council of Nicea by the then governing bodies in Rome. They wanted to unite all in one religion. Do you really think a god of love and the creator of all we know would demonstrate such fragile human traits as vengence and wrath. Do you think he gave us free will then basically acts upon”if you dont do it my way you will burn in hell! Does that sound like the behaviour of a god of love?
The bible if full or wonderful truths but amonst all of that is man made garbage to keep everyone in line. Most of the old testement anyway is mythology. If adam and eve were the first two people on earth then that means we are all born from incest! And apparently they had two sons so where does that leave us?
The problem with most people and most religions is that they believe theirs is the only path to god and all the others are wrong.
Conversations with god speaks the truth.
The bible speaks the truth also but the words and meanings have been twisted over the years to mean something else.
Reigion, like many other things in life should be a choice for the individual. Present our children with all the possibilities and trust them enough to make their own choices.
Love is, all there is – why fill their heads with fear and retribution.
How can one grow from that
Davyd
December 12th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Dear “Davyd”
Thanks for your comments (they actually went in spam first – I’m glad I caught them). I’d like to reply. First, please know I am writing calm and not angered by anything you’ve written. And I am writing to you in a spirit of kindness and grace. Hopefully that comes through in this reply.
I understand how you see it like that but, I disagree. My experienced is they tend to be disorganized
Religion is man’s attempt to commune with God. Man often gets it all screwed up. On that we probably agree.
You have gotten some wrong information, Dave. The Council of Nicaea was (in a nutshell) to determine which writings were worth dying for and to establish practices for the early church. No scriptures were rewritten. A creed (The Nicaean Creed) was established from hundreds of churches. The vote to adopt such a creed as representative was somewhere around 300+ to 2). Those two that were disputing held to the heretical belief that Jesus was a created being and not eternal. This can be established by secular sources as well Christian ones. Don’t be so quick to believe atheist urban legends, please.
First, I am not sure vengeance and wrath are “fragile human traits.” Not in a context of justice. Which is what many churches glance over; leaving this “hell fire damnation” approach, you seem to have encountered.
He is not a “god of love,” rather God is love. It’s am important distinction. Because He is love and He is Holy, sin must be punished. For example, were someone to rape, torture, kill and bury your mother in a shallow grave somewhere… and get away with it and one day die. Wouldn’t you expect a “god of love” to judge that person? Because God is Love, He also administers justice.
Your statement seems contradictory. Wonderful truths or man-made garbage?
And if it is man-made garbage to keep people in line, it failed. Because it condemns the church as much or more so than the unbeliever. (Luke 18:9-14 comes to mind)
Actually most of the old testament is prophesy. It was in fact, prophesy (and a little of archeology) that convinced me the Bible had to have been inspired by someone beyond the bounds of time as we know it. There are hundreds of prophesies just concerning Christ. The books of the OT were hundreds of years of years apart, by various men, and yet were able to accurately depict events such as where, when and how Christ would be born, live, travel and as well as how, when and where he would die. The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even some of those prophecies would be only 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. (source)
I’m not sure I see your point. The gene pool was a lot different then and people could have married their cousins or sisters without significant damage. It’s also possible that God created more people and that Adam and Eve were just the first (but I’d don’t think that’s the case).
Sure, but most have not investigated other faiths. This statement applies to Christians as well. I am wondering (and again with respect) if you have read the Bible yourself, objectively. While I was raised to go to church (do not read, raised Christian – I wasn’t) I have also investigated other faiths, because I want to know truth. Do you? I hope so, it’s why I am taking the time to respond. I’m happy to help you (or anyone else for that matter) think through this and answer any questions you may have.
Again, where’s your proof of that?
Let me see if I got this right? You find truth and instead of tell your children you want to play a game and let them see if they will find it on their own? I know of no one who does this. Even atheists and Hindus I know, don’t do that. I am raising my children to know Christ. But ultimately it will be up to them to surrender to Him or not.
Because scripture and the words of Christ say much more than that. Again, I think you are missing the Justice part of the equation. Please take time to read this. I think you’ll see where I am coming from and why i think the Gospel makes sense.
September 3rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Your both as right as both you think you are!
All these words mean nothing.
Look into your heart to feel the answers.
You will know when you have the truth!
NOTHING MATTERS!!!!!!!
Try to get it
October 14th, 2008 at 9:07 am
For it is said, “It’s not my works that will be done, but thy works.” So, if I am to bring you to the faith, it won’t be my doing. It’ll be God’s. You may not like what I’m about to say, but it’s rather simple. You are not privy to what I know. I know what I know because it has been given unto me. You too can have that same knowledge, but you have to ask, “and ye shall receive.”
As silly as the ‘non-believers’ may thinks this is, it’s just simply true! Why not truly seek for yourself and find out. You’ll see that I’m right.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Funny how so many people making claims against religion by saying what they think God would or would not do end up pointing fingers at religions for, well,-saying what THEY think God would or would not do.
Too bad Davyd can’t see his own hypocrisy, it’s a hoot!
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January 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Ron,
your reply back to Davyd over a year ago was so good. Thanks for taking the time to write what you did!
May you be blessed for stating the truth in love.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I’ve read all three books in the Conversations with God trilogy, and still refer to them regularly when I have questions about spirituality. I am Methodist and I attend church weekly unless I’m out of town. The books have helped me in my understanding of God, religion, relationships, and the list goes on. What they helped me understand most, is that if I feel the need to defend what I believe, I’m still not convinced of it myself. Debating and arguing my points helped me read, investigate, and prove to myself that what I believed was true. When I finally believed it, I didn’t feel the need to argue anymore. If someone looked at the sky with me and said, “Oh what a gorgeous green sky” I wouldn’t feel any compulsion to argue with them. When I know it’s blue, I’m sure in my belief so I don’t have a need to debate it. It has become that way in my understanding of God. Finally… I feel at peace with what I believe.
January 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Dear Robin: Thank you for taking the time to share you thoughts. I am curious about something. Why do you not refer to the Bible on matters of spirituality? As a fellow member of the Methodist Church, I can tell you Wesley taught and the church continues to believe that Scripture is the base of all that we believe and when Scripture conflicts with anything – the teaching of the church remains that Scripture is correct (at least when properly interpreted). Yes, non-scripture books may inspire us. But we must seek God’s holy inspired and inerrant Word as first and last if we are going to be Christ-like.
And to that point, you are right. It doesn’t matter what anyone else (myself included) believes. As long as it’s true. Someone who thinks the sky is green is either color-blind or needs to know the truth. As someone who thought the sky was green once and was shown the the truth, I have an obligation to help them see the beauty of the blue sky. Because in matters of faith, we are not just talking about the difference between green and blue.. but Life and Death.
I hope you will read your Bible daily and obey what you read. I will pray with you and trust God to show you truth. Thanks again for stopping by. Please stop in again.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I read a lot of books, the Bible included. I like Conversations with God because it is written in a way that I understand and can relate to easily. I question everything I read, including the Bible. When I was young (10 or so through my 20′s) I didn’t like to think about God a lot even though I went to church. I was afraid of going to hell because I wasn’t Baptized at the time or because I didn’t pray enough, etc. After I read the material in Conversations with God, I started thinking about God continually. I began losing my fear of God and started reading Jesus’ teachings. I liked what I read about Jesus, and I began seeing spirituality in big and small matters on a daily basis. I respect that the Bible is the ultimate authority and is God’s word to many Christians, but I look in many places for God’s messages. I look for God to speak to me in my relationships to family, friends, and strangers… I look for God in my response to circumstances both big and small… I look for God in the silence… I look for God in subtle synchronicities…. I look for God in myself. I trust that God is in my being to help guide and direct me to have a greater vision for myself. This is not to say the Bible is unimportant, and I respect it is yours and many others main source for finding God’s truth for us, but it is just one of many tools for me to find God. This is the truth that God has shown to me.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
So.. with no ultimate authority, how do you determine truth? By what feels right?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:07 am
God is the ultimate authority for me but I look and listen to what God is saying to me through many avenues. I rely on my feelings all the time because I know they are accurate, even if my response to them may not be the highest choice….but I try. I look to Jesus’ teachings in the Bible to help me understand what I can think, say, and do in response to my feelings. I know our words are really powerful and so when I’m feeling irritated at my girls after a long day at work I try to check myself before responding in a less than Christ-like manner (I’m weak…. I usually snap at them). But my feelings are accurate… if I’m irritated there is a reason… I’m stressed. And if I’m stressed I need to determine why so I can solve it and make it go away (at least as often as possible).For me, it works best if I dig deep about how I feel so I can turn those feelings around and be more joyful and at peace. I know that if I’m feeling this way, I will be a much happier mom and the response to my daughters will be what God wants for the three of us.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Robin,
Please read the scriptures below, they helped me to realize that our feelings are not always good. So now when I am seeking answers, I search the Bible to get the truth.
Joshua 1:8 (New King James Version)
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
2 Corinthians 10:3-7 (New King James Version)
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
This helped me I hope it helps you.
Take care.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
My feelings don’t always feel good even though it is good that I have them. They are a compass for me and help me understand my responses in relation to the situation. When I’m angry, I think about why I feel that way. I don’t believe anger is a feeling that I should keep on a continual basis, so if I feel it overmuch, I work on the reason for my anger rather than getting hung up on reacting to it. One feeling I’m really trying to focus on right now is fear. When I’m afraid of something, I try and figure out the reason for me my fear. This is the one feeling that keeps me from doing my best. Jesus talked about worry, and addressed it along with his observations about judging. I judge myself constantly and it finally dawned on me that my “bad” feelings were because I was judging myself. When I realize I’m mentally putting myself down, I stop the thought, and start accomplishing more within moments. It’s like a weight is lifted.
So even though it sounds like I’m endorsing that people should “go with their feelings,” I’m not. I’m just saying that my feelings are absolutely true and I believe in acknowledging them… but if I react rather than think about what I’m doing, I haven’t helped myself at all. And I too believe that the Bible offers plenty of guidance for us in regard to our behavior.
January 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Excellent posts, both of you. Thanks for contributing.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Robin,
I hope I did not come off as someone whose knows better, I only wanted to share what helped me to learn about feelings and how to deal with them. I have been on the same journey as you to discover how to be a better person and to seek God for the truth.
Just today we saw a plane land in the Hudson River and my co-workers were so distressed wondering if it was another attack like 911 and also concerned about the people on the plane. I had to open the Bible for comfort. I read Psalm 91 and it calmed me down. I am pleased to say that all of the people on board the plane have been rescued and are safe.
Take care Robin. Thanks Ron. This all actually helped me this week.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Hi Ron, Robin and Mariejesus,
What an interesting discussion! Ron, I was touched by your excellent answers
to Davyd, Mariejesus, your thoughtful answers to Robin were beautiful. Robin, I am also on the path you are taking. The Bible is a first priority but other religious writings also comfort me and help me with difficult decisions. There are many very fine writers of such works and they are a complement to the Bible, not a replacement. I grew up in a tiny SW Georgia Methodist church, went to a Catholic boarding school where I listened to the beauty of the nuns’ evening service, was a member of the Epicscopal Cathedral in Atlanta for 32 years, have stood in awesome silence and prayer in the cave of St. John the Divine, sat in the majesty of Westminister Abbey, attended a Jewish Synagogue with friends, prayed in a tiny grotto in Croatia and at the House of Mary in Turkey and all these places and peoples helped me grow in knowledge and faith in God. And I have read parts of the Koran. Jesus is their highest prophet, above Mohammed, though they do not call Him the Son of God. And there is much more about Mary in the Koran than the Bible. God made everything and all and his power is incomprehensible. I am a Christian and always will be. But God is the Creator of all things and all beings in the Universe. And his son, Jesus, is our Light and Saviour. Jesus himself thought much, learned in the Synagogue (Jewish, I might add) talked with many different people and gave us all his powerful example and love. I don’t think we would have been given brains with enough might to explore and think if God had not wanted us to! We can study other spiritual writings, use other books as supplements, etc. to raise our understanding and I think, for me and many others, this is a good thing. We are reaching for God and God and His Son are All.
Thank you for a wonderful web site..
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 am
Ron,
your judgment is not needed…so says me
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
What are you talking about Marn?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
That hoax comes across as twisted humor: Dr. Dobson’s call to ban “Conversations with God” juxtaposed with chairwoman of the National Day of Prayer Task Force Shirley Dobson’s call for prayer to God.
The book sounds like trash.
July 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
As far as I am concerned, anything or anyone who speaks direct contradictions in respect of the Word of God is wrong! If “Conversations with God” answers questions with answers that contradict what the Bible says, then CWG is WRONG. Some of us believe that the KJV of the Holy Bible is the in-errant Word Of God and that settles it. I know that some of the words in the KJV Bible do not appear in the oldest manuscripts and so forth, but I believe that God prepared the KJV to be my copy of what God said and wants me to know. The things that I do not understand will be explained when I meet The Lord. I believe that Jesus died for my sin punishment and then rose from the dead to prove that he was God. I have put my faith and trust in Him as my saviour. I try to live for Him. My life is pretty happy. Once in a while, there are rocks in the road, but I feel good about my life here and hereafter. Now, I might be wrong. But I am resting all my care on Him and leaving it to Him to take me to Heaven when I die. What if those who say “It is only a myth” are wrong. What hope do they have? If I am wrong, I have lived a blessed life and will die and there will be nothing after. OK. What if the unbelievers are wrong? They will be spending eternity in the torments of FIRE, FALLING, AND DARKNESS. I like my position, looking forward to an eternity in the presence of God. How do you like yours? What do you have to look forward to?
November 19th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I look forward to eternity with Jesus Christ! I am just happy that He chose me from the beginning. I remember growing up in a very small town in South Alabama. I was taught in church the “fire and brimsone” kind of God. That was it. So, I grew up terrified of God. I did not know He loved me too! But, in my teens when we moved up north. I lived for a while in Kentucky. I attended a missionary church and learned that God hates sin, but loves the sinner. He gave Himself for us all. I went to the altar several times to be saved. However; I left feeling a deadness. No change. Then, one evening alone in my apartment (I was 18) I got down on my knees by my bed and prayed. I withheld nothing, my heart was laid bare before God. I cried and repented openly and fully. Then…I felt this Amazing thing…like something very heavey had been lifted off of me. Like I could fly! light as a feather! Then, through that I felt an incredible love, it was like light going through each cell of my body! I have never felt anything like that since! I loved it! I wanted to be with Jesus right then. Knowing my soul was ready if the Lord was to take me then. This incredibly indescribable pure light love flowing through each cell felt also indescriblable! The LOVE was of God and I knew it! That PURE LOVE was so clean, not like our greedy, selfish love. It was tremendous! Amazing and no words can fully describe it! I knew I had met the Holy Spirit/God/JesusChrist who is the Lord and Savior of my life! I find it hard to describe to people. Especially those who do not believe. I feel sorry for them. I am praying for them to recieve their spiritual sight. God is so wonderful. I wish they could know. I am 53 years old now, and have been through so much in life. Good and Bad, but…my testamoney is real. I can still feel that blessing of the Lord in my body. He loves us so much. I wish people would really look for Him. He is there…waiting. You just have to believe and call on Him. May God bless you in your search for the King of Kings. Lord of Lords! He is waiting for anyone to just call on Him and trust Him.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I must add…when I felt the cleansing and infilling of the Holy Spirit when I was saved…I immediately knew why the angels praise Him day and night as the Bible says! They feel that LOVE too. I cannot reject that LOVE. There is nothing worth exchanging for the LOVE of God! Nothing worth exchanging your soul for. The eternal life in Heaven will be so great. It is not about playing little harps and sitting on clouds. It is going to be so much, so special, so intense, so LOVING that we will be astonished! No words to describe the Lord are adequate! I just want everyone to know it! The special LOVE of the LORD! Hell is real and I don’t want to see anyone choose it. They have no idea that they can choose hell or heaven. They choose hell when they reject this wonderful love of God! When they reject the precious blood of the Lamb of God. Given freely and with so much LOVE.
January 2nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Im an old Soldier, and i truly believe there are no athiests in foxholes. Jesus is lord. and someday every knee shall bow to him.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
the book is trash do not read it. there is a god and a devil people
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:28 am
Having read this book myself, as well as the bible and other spiritual books/documents in my search for truth (I’ve been searching for spiritual answers for as long as I can remember), it actually amuses me just a little to see that such messages about it being ‘the devil’s work’ or whatnot is being spread around.
And the reason it amuses me because in the books themselves, there are quite a few passages saying that the books aren’t supposed to be replacements for theological texts, and not to put 100% of your faith into the words written within the pages. The books themselves don’t ask you to take them at face value, but to test everything that is written inside.
May 7th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I see that many of the comments here are referencing the Bible to fight the ideas in Conversations. I am very familiar with both books. Both contain a mathematical error. Only one each, as far as I can see. These mathematical errors of each are very similar, but the newer book contains an especially strong and cunning twist. These errors are also closely related.
Stay with me here for a second.
I understand that those with Christian faith (which I used to have much of, until I was about 14) would use their appointed text (the Bible) to refute other ideas. But think of it this way: There is a whole world of people out there internalizing this new meme/virus that was either stumbled upon or engineered in the CwG books. Why don’t we focus on clearing out this mind disease by taking a non-religious view and making a non-religious argument against it. Because when we use our personal beliefs instead of abstract logic, we are only seen to be promoting our own agendas. Belief is not enough for a true debate. Knowledge is. And if you KNOW something, but you don’t know HOW you know it, that is a GOOD SIGN. The next step is to conduct research (of your own mind and everything else) and to create a sort model that makes sense to you! All models can be different but correct simultaneously. The more ways to explain something, the better, I say.
On Walsch, all I can say is that he is starting to come apart (as we see in his identity confusion/plagiarism problem). He is slowly losing his mind and I want to help him but I am not sure how yet. I see without a shadow of a doubt how his doctrine is catching up to him. He is clearly a charismatic and special man with a lot of drive, which makes his story especially tragic right now. It is a small world and maybe we can help him together.
I pray, as a humanitarian, that we will all clear our minds of the junk that they have been stuffed with. Let’s look inside to SAVE OURSELVES. Because no one else can do it for us. Heaven is here! Heaven is now! All we have to do to see it is open our eyes!
I love you all.
-Stella*
May 7th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Ellie, sorry your post didn’t get approved earlier. I just now saw it. Thanks for stopping by.
May 7th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Stella, If the Bible is true, than it’s perfectly legitimate to use it as a basis for argument. And your last paragraph makes me wonder a few things. Who do you “pray” to? How can you save yourself? Save yourself from what?
May 18th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Hi,
Interestingly enough all Bible-thumpers immediately discard CWG as blasphemy (as they do with any system of beliefs not matching theirs), while all CWG is doing is preaching God as the creator of all and the source of complete love and understanding, while not condemning anyone elses beliefs as wrong……. sounds like something for all of us to actually pay some attention to!
God bless.
May 18th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Stan, I’m not sure who qualifies as a “bible-thumper.” My guess is I will qualify before the end of this post, so I feel it’s right to respond. First, this is to point out the hoax. Dobson did NOT call for a ban. But that’s besides the point of your post.
The statement that jumped out at me, was where you said, “while not condemning anyone else’s beliefs as wrong.” Are you one who believes anything we believe is okay and even true.. or is “true to us?”
May 19th, 2011 at 5:46 am
I’m fascinated by some of the arguments on this post. Some of which portray the very selfish old nature of the “father of lies.” I haven’t read “conversations with god”, but excerpts from the book clearly point to errant teaching especially in the African context. A common phrase used to infer to African’s failure to see things beyond the artistic impression of the “book cover”, comes into mind. If this is how the power of the writings is going to used to influence people’s behavior, then the lesser people read the better. What errant book might be in the printeries?
June 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
I am on book 2 of the 3 book series of Conversations with God. And I think it is such a refreshing and awesome approach to God. I went to Sunday school and was very active in my youth group when I was younger. It was a Baptist church with all white members. I did not like the fact that the church discriminated against the color of your skin. I was not considered a member because I chose not to be baptized in the eyes of God. I had so many questions that the church and its staff members if you will could not answer. I thought it was a crock of you know what. When I came across this book I felt like it answered all of my questions about life and death and the world and many more things. I think Ron’s response was right on. I never believed in “Hell” or that God was going to punish you for eternity…that is just ridiculous. I think the Bible was written by man…not God, not even Jesus. But to each his own. I feel like this book is guiding me closer to truth and religion is miles away from truth. But this is my belief and I’m sure others will disagree and that’s ok. I just hope one day everyone will be able to come together and see how easy it can be to have peace in the world. I realize that that reality is far from coming true, but I do believe that we will evolve into less primitive human beings and live in a world without hunger, greed, poverty, hate, fear and war.
June 28th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Kim, thanks so much for taking the time to comment.
There are a couple points I’d like to address. First, I agree with you on race and baptism. God is the creator is skin color. Both Jew and gentile are able to be saved by His grace through faith. In 1 Corinthians 1:14 Paul thanks God he didn’t baptism the Corinthians. How could he say that if it were essential for salvation.
However, beyond that you seem to have made up a religion of your own… picking and choosing what you like and do not like. The bible calls that idolatry. You may not have carved an image out of wood – but you did carve one out in your mind.
The Bible was written by men – under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. How else can you explain the number fulfilled prophesies? The amazing accuracy of the manuscripts and geological reference points also serve to make it the most authoritative book in all history. Statistically there is no logical choice but to conclude that it was written/inspired by someone outside of space and time or someone who had control over minute details of future events.
Satan’s lie in the garden was “God didn’t really say that.” And you seem to be falling for the same old trick, Kim.
Don’t take my word for it, Kim. Read the Bible for yourself and obey what you read. I fully trust God to reveal His truth to you.
Let me know if you ever want to take more…
God bless you,
Ron
July 31st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
“Conversations with god speaks the truth.
The bible speaks the truth also but the words and meanings have been twisted over the years to mean something else.
Again, where’s your proof of that?”
Where is your proof that Conversations is not the word of God? Where is your proof that the bible is? There is no proof in religion, only faith.
But it is commonly known by historians that large portions of the Bible have been twisted, removed, and modified by various leader throughout the years.
You truly believe that a book could stay pure throughout a period of two thousand years? This is obvious even to someone who knows nothing about Bibles, walk into a bookstore: there dozens of them, all a little different! And yet you still say “No, it has remained true, it has remained pure, nothing could change the word of the Lord.” Not to mention the power a book of that magnitude has carried through the centuries. A leader (or dictator) could put anything in that book and it would be taken as “the word of the Lord”, obeyed and revered by all. You think the leaders of the past have not exploited that?! Come on! It has been THE most powerful control any leader has had over his people – “straight from the horse’s mouth”, follow it or face punishment by death. Yeah. because all those leaders were SUCH trustworthy guys. Opium for the masses indeed. They’ve gone so far as to create a big red man made of evil, and a world of fire! Oh, and you have to EARN your way to God, and he will punish you! My, a regular Shakespeare!
Do you truly believe that God spoke to Moses? You think he could not do it again? Do you tell yourself that he may have lost the power? Lost the will? I tell you, God has spoken again, to a man named Neale Donald Walshe, in the form of these books. That is the key to the faith I and others have in Conversations and in Neale – we see that he is a messenger, we see that he is genuine. We see that his message is true. And if you were to actually READ the book, rather than misquote it, you would see that this message is as pure as any Bible you could throw at me (if not more so). Anyone who can read this book entirely and completely disagree with its message is truly a man I would not like to meet. We know that God’s message in this book is true, because we can feel it is. You say that you cannot trust your feeling? Garbage. Feelings are all we have, and what we must trust most; the love for our fellow man, the pang in our hearts that tells us what is wrong, the joy we feel when we see that God is anywhere and everywhere we look, everyday.
God speaks clearly and concisely to us all, but to some more clearly than others. Neale is a messenger, dictating exactly what is said to him, and writing it down, nothing more.
I am 21 yeas old, and Conversations has changed my life. I have truly found God (or rather, remembered). There are no coincidences. I found this book because it is exactly what I was looking for.
Anyone who believes in a wrathful, vengeful, angry, needy, jealous God is a fool. God is pure love to everyone and everything (everything, which is ALL God in and of itself, remember?). I thank God, literally, and more immediately my parents, that I was raised without a proper religion, but always with a belief of God. You may say I’m lost, I say I was given the opportunity to find my way to God. MY way. And it wasn’t through religion.
There’s more out there than your precious book. Expand your horizons, think outside your nine dots, realize that there’s much more out there than you could ever know or comprehend.
Kim, I also just finished book 2. I can’t wait to start number 3, and can’t wait for the day that the laymen and the nonbelievers and the mislead and the Ron Shanks of the world come around and see what is truly so.
August 4th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Ron, thanks for your thoughtful and kind response to Davyd! I would like to share a response with the same tone To Olivia [#16], who posted a couple years ago: I recall a story about a man who, seeking comfort would just open his Bible and drop his finger and read the verse. One evening, after a particularly difficult day he sought comfort in this way. The first passage his finger fell on was “Judas went and hanged himself”. He closed the Bible, contemplated that, and finding it didn’t comfort him decided to try it again. This time his finger fell on “go and do thou likewise”…well, that certainly wasn’t comforting so he tried one more time landing on “Whatsoever thou doest, do it quickly”. I think this little story illustrates the irony of ignoring the greater context of a passage, in any book. Now, you mention in your post that you have “read some of the Koran” and have come to the conclusion that the Koran holds Jesus in higher esteem than even Mohammed. Actually, the truth is that Jesus is mentioned in the Koran 97 times in 93 passages and, although Jesus is held as a prophet, it is called blasphemy to confess Jesus as the Son of God. Let me quote a couple of them here for you…
“…He is nothing but a slave on whom we bestowed favor, and we made him a pattern for the Children of Israel….”. Quran 43:57-60
“You have uttered a gross blasphemy… Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son.” Quran 19:88-95
“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary…” Quran 5.17,72
Do you believe Jesus was crucified? That he died for your sins? Consider what Mohammad said about that:
“… That they said (in boast): We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary…But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them… for of a surety they killed him not…” Quran, 4:156-159
Jesus said “If you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins” John 8:24
There is no way to reconcile those two opinions of Jesus. Either He is God’s son, or to say so is blasphemy. It is nonsense to say you can believe both, and nonsense is nonsense, even if you speak it about God or religion.
It is one of the simplest and most common of errors to take a sentence or two from a writing and think you understand it. That is what disturbs me so much about our naive defenders of the faith. They see an email with a quote or two from something [I've not read the book in question] and jump on the bandwagon either for or against the article/book/post/etc.
Luke said that the people of Berea were more noble than those from Thessalonica in that they received the word with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily to see whether those things were so. Acts 17:11. So listen to what people say/write, that’s fine, so long as you search the scriptures to see if it is so.
August 4th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Dear Wilde:
You wrote so many things I don’ think I can address everything due to time right now. But one thing may be address. You asked, “Where is your proof that the bible is?” All you have to do is look at this site > http://100prophecies.org/ and see some of the proofs that scripture is true.
You also wrote, “Anyone who believes in a wrathful, vengeful, angry, needy, jealous God is a fool.” But are not some of those things taught in scripture?
And lastly, this was a very insightful comment, “I say I was given the opportunity to find my way to God. MY way.” There ya go. This is not Christianity. This is Wilde-anity. You are following a God of your own mind. The bible calls it idolatry. You may not have carved one out of wood yet, but you might as well. There is no difference.
I realize that will read harshly. But I want you to know that your thinking is normal and I too am often guilty of imposing my own image of God, as how God really is. It’s a human trait we must always battle within. The only way to be sure that I do not follow my mind is to read scripture and realize that it has authority over my experience. Not the reverse.
I am curious what you think happens when you die, Wilde. Mind telling me?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
After reading all the above posts, one point comes to mind. All those is favor of CWG depend on their “feelings” as faith, and all those opposed to CWG have their faith rooted in the Word. I would like to remind those who want to depend on feelings as a measure of truth about the pain and agony that Christ suffered during his passion and death. I doubt it was his “feelings” that allowed him to endure the shame and pain of the cross, let alone all the rejection he suffered at the hands of his own family and kin. When our time of trials come, as they will to all who live on this earth, at one time or another, we will do well to have the Word buried in our heart and mind so that our “feelings” do not cause us to commit the worst sin of all, giving in and giving up just so that we can feel better. Sincerely,
A Christian who believes we will be on the earth for the time of tribulation.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I bought into book 1 of CWG hook line & sinker because I am a firm believer that all life is a localized manifestation of the infinite energy &intelligence we call ‘God’. However, book 2 revealed the fraud of the authors intent when ‘God’ said what a “great president” G.W.Bush was.Apparently God is unaware that Bush is a Lucifarian.Clearly New World Order, Zionist mind control.However, I do not agree w/ Dr. Dobson’s call to ban this or any other book. This to me is scarier than anything else.Next Dobson. & those like him will be burning anything that does’nt fit into their idea of ‘God’ & burning those like me at the stake.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Dobson did NOT call to ban the book. This is an alert about a hoax.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Ron, please don’t talk about both ‘prophecy’ and ‘free will’ as if they are mutually exclusive.They are not.Fate implies pre determination,hence,no free will. Also, nothing is ‘free’ if its choice includes harsh spiritual punishment by an ‘all powerful’ God.For someone to say “do it my way or else” and at the same time say “well, you can do it your way but I’m going to really hurt you bad if you do” is truly sadistic.Please don’t call this ‘free will’.It’s called a control system.And keep in miond we are not talking about someone killing someones mother and burying her in a shallow grave, as you used as example before as I am sure there are grave spiritual conequences for true evil. However, on matters of personal choice say…sexuality, wether or not it is a choice is really of no consequence if there is truly free will. And while I am not gay it does not bother me what someone else does w/ their life in the least. It’s funny how Christians ride around on their high horses railing and screaming and are happy to slaughter middle eastern people in the name of Isreal and ‘God’ when it is now clear to anyone who does the research that it was the Mossod and CIA who pulled off 9/11. Even the higher ups at the Army war college know it. Meanwhile the Zionists laugh and spit at the ‘gentiles’ or goy. Have you read the Talmud ? Sorry to vent,but the apathy and willful ignorance of Americans makes me sick.
January 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Ron, thanks for the clarification on Dobson. I have no problem w/ someone warning others of fraud.The titles on the search page all said ‘Call to ban CWG’.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Wow there is a lot in there Billy. Can we back up a min? What do you think happens when you die? And what do you base that understanding on?