Comments on: Hoax: Dr. Dobson’s Call to Ban ‘Conversations with God’ http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god The personal thoughts, opinions and typos of Ron Shank Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:48:18 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ron Shankhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40239 Ron Shank Fri, 07 May 2010 18:47:15 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40239 Stella, If the Bible is true, than it's perfectly legitimate to use it as a basis for argument. And your last paragraph makes me wonder a few things. Who do you "pray" to? How can you save yourself? Save yourself from what? Stella, If the Bible is true, than it’s perfectly legitimate to use it as a basis for argument. And your last paragraph makes me wonder a few things. Who do you “pray” to? How can you save yourself? Save yourself from what?

]]> By: Ron Shankhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40238 Ron Shank Fri, 07 May 2010 18:43:49 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40238 Ellie, sorry your post didn't get approved earlier. I just now saw it. Thanks for stopping by. Ellie, sorry your post didn’t get approved earlier. I just now saw it. Thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: Stellahttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40237 Stella Fri, 07 May 2010 17:25:14 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40237 I see that many of the comments here are referencing the Bible to fight the ideas in Conversations. I am very familiar with both books. Both contain a mathematical error. Only one each, as far as I can see. These mathematical errors of each are very similar, but the newer book contains an especially strong and cunning twist. These errors are also closely related. Stay with me here for a second. I understand that those with Christian faith (which I used to have much of, until I was about 14) would use their appointed text (the Bible) to refute other ideas. But think of it this way: There is a whole world of people out there internalizing this new meme/virus that was either stumbled upon or engineered in the CwG books. Why don't we focus on clearing out this mind disease by taking a non-religious view and making a non-religious argument against it. Because when we use our personal beliefs instead of abstract logic, we are only seen to be promoting our own agendas. Belief is not enough for a true debate. Knowledge is. And if you KNOW something, but you don't know HOW you know it, that is a GOOD SIGN. The next step is to conduct research (of your own mind and everything else) and to create a sort model that makes sense to you! All models can be different but correct simultaneously. The more ways to explain something, the better, I say.On Walsch, all I can say is that he is starting to come apart (as we see in his identity confusion/plagiarism problem). He is slowly losing his mind and I want to help him but I am not sure how yet. I see without a shadow of a doubt how his doctrine is catching up to him. He is clearly a charismatic and special man with a lot of drive, which makes his story especially tragic right now. It is a small world and maybe we can help him together.I pray, as a humanitarian, that we will all clear our minds of the junk that they have been stuffed with. Let's look inside to SAVE OURSELVES. Because no one else can do it for us. Heaven is here! Heaven is now! All we have to do to see it is open our eyes! I love you all.-Stella* I see that many of the comments here are referencing the Bible to fight the ideas in Conversations. I am very familiar with both books. Both contain a mathematical error. Only one each, as far as I can see. These mathematical errors of each are very similar, but the newer book contains an especially strong and cunning twist. These errors are also closely related.
Stay with me here for a second.
I understand that those with Christian faith (which I used to have much of, until I was about 14) would use their appointed text (the Bible) to refute other ideas. But think of it this way: There is a whole world of people out there internalizing this new meme/virus that was either stumbled upon or engineered in the CwG books. Why don’t we focus on clearing out this mind disease by taking a non-religious view and making a non-religious argument against it. Because when we use our personal beliefs instead of abstract logic, we are only seen to be promoting our own agendas. Belief is not enough for a true debate. Knowledge is. And if you KNOW something, but you don’t know HOW you know it, that is a GOOD SIGN. The next step is to conduct research (of your own mind and everything else) and to create a sort model that makes sense to you! All models can be different but correct simultaneously. The more ways to explain something, the better, I say.

On Walsch, all I can say is that he is starting to come apart (as we see in his identity confusion/plagiarism problem). He is slowly losing his mind and I want to help him but I am not sure how yet. I see without a shadow of a doubt how his doctrine is catching up to him. He is clearly a charismatic and special man with a lot of drive, which makes his story especially tragic right now. It is a small world and maybe we can help him together.

I pray, as a humanitarian, that we will all clear our minds of the junk that they have been stuffed with. Let’s look inside to SAVE OURSELVES. Because no one else can do it for us. Heaven is here! Heaven is now! All we have to do to see it is open our eyes!
I love you all.

-Stella*

]]> By: Elliehttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40235 Ellie Mon, 03 May 2010 08:28:43 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40235 Having read this book myself, as well as the bible and other spiritual books/documents in my search for truth (I've been searching for spiritual answers for as long as I can remember), it actually amuses me just a little to see that such messages about it being 'the devil's work' or whatnot is being spread around.And the reason it amuses me because in the books themselves, there are quite a few passages saying that the books aren't supposed to be replacements for theological texts, and not to put 100% of your faith into the words written within the pages. The books themselves don't ask you to take them at face value, but to test everything that is written inside. Having read this book myself, as well as the bible and other spiritual books/documents in my search for truth (I’ve been searching for spiritual answers for as long as I can remember), it actually amuses me just a little to see that such messages about it being ‘the devil’s work’ or whatnot is being spread around.

And the reason it amuses me because in the books themselves, there are quite a few passages saying that the books aren’t supposed to be replacements for theological texts, and not to put 100% of your faith into the words written within the pages. The books themselves don’t ask you to take them at face value, but to test everything that is written inside.

]]> By: kellyhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40155 kelly Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:10:40 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40155 the book is trash do not read it. there is a god and a devil people the book is trash do not read it. there is a god and a devil people

]]> By: scott Thttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40144 scott T Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:45:16 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40144 Im an old Soldier, and i truly believe there are no athiests in foxholes. Jesus is lord. and someday every knee shall bow to him. Im an old Soldier, and i truly believe there are no athiests in foxholes. Jesus is lord. and someday every knee shall bow to him.

]]> By: Shirleyhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40122 Shirley Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:29:04 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40122 I must add...when I felt the cleansing and infilling of the Holy Spirit when I was saved...I immediately knew why the angels praise Him day and night as the Bible says! They feel that LOVE too. I cannot reject that LOVE. There is nothing worth exchanging for the LOVE of God! Nothing worth exchanging your soul for. The eternal life in Heaven will be so great. It is not about playing little harps and sitting on clouds. It is going to be so much, so special, so intense, so LOVING that we will be astonished! No words to describe the Lord are adequate! I just want everyone to know it! The special LOVE of the LORD! Hell is real and I don't want to see anyone choose it. They have no idea that they can choose hell or heaven. They choose hell when they reject this wonderful love of God! When they reject the precious blood of the Lamb of God. Given freely and with so much LOVE. I must add…when I felt the cleansing and infilling of the Holy Spirit when I was saved…I immediately knew why the angels praise Him day and night as the Bible says! They feel that LOVE too. I cannot reject that LOVE. There is nothing worth exchanging for the LOVE of God! Nothing worth exchanging your soul for. The eternal life in Heaven will be so great. It is not about playing little harps and sitting on clouds. It is going to be so much, so special, so intense, so LOVING that we will be astonished! No words to describe the Lord are adequate! I just want everyone to know it! The special LOVE of the LORD! Hell is real and I don’t want to see anyone choose it. They have no idea that they can choose hell or heaven. They choose hell when they reject this wonderful love of God! When they reject the precious blood of the Lamb of God. Given freely and with so much LOVE.

]]> By: Shirleyhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40121 Shirley Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:21:41 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40121 I look forward to eternity with Jesus Christ! I am just happy that He chose me from the beginning. I remember growing up in a very small town in South Alabama. I was taught in church the "fire and brimsone" kind of God. That was it. So, I grew up terrified of God. I did not know He loved me too! But, in my teens when we moved up north. I lived for a while in Kentucky. I attended a missionary church and learned that God hates sin, but loves the sinner. He gave Himself for us all. I went to the altar several times to be saved. However; I left feeling a deadness. No change. Then, one evening alone in my apartment (I was 18) I got down on my knees by my bed and prayed. I withheld nothing, my heart was laid bare before God. I cried and repented openly and fully. Then...I felt this Amazing thing...like something very heavey had been lifted off of me. Like I could fly! light as a feather! Then, through that I felt an incredible love, it was like light going through each cell of my body! I have never felt anything like that since! I loved it! I wanted to be with Jesus right then. Knowing my soul was ready if the Lord was to take me then. This incredibly indescribable pure light love flowing through each cell felt also indescriblable! The LOVE was of God and I knew it! That PURE LOVE was so clean, not like our greedy, selfish love. It was tremendous! Amazing and no words can fully describe it! I knew I had met the Holy Spirit/God/JesusChrist who is the Lord and Savior of my life! I find it hard to describe to people. Especially those who do not believe. I feel sorry for them. I am praying for them to recieve their spiritual sight. God is so wonderful. I wish they could know. I am 53 years old now, and have been through so much in life. Good and Bad, but...my testamoney is real. I can still feel that blessing of the Lord in my body. He loves us so much. I wish people would really look for Him. He is there...waiting. You just have to believe and call on Him. May God bless you in your search for the King of Kings. Lord of Lords! He is waiting for anyone to just call on Him and trust Him. I look forward to eternity with Jesus Christ! I am just happy that He chose me from the beginning. I remember growing up in a very small town in South Alabama. I was taught in church the “fire and brimsone” kind of God. That was it. So, I grew up terrified of God. I did not know He loved me too! But, in my teens when we moved up north. I lived for a while in Kentucky. I attended a missionary church and learned that God hates sin, but loves the sinner. He gave Himself for us all. I went to the altar several times to be saved. However; I left feeling a deadness. No change. Then, one evening alone in my apartment (I was 18) I got down on my knees by my bed and prayed. I withheld nothing, my heart was laid bare before God. I cried and repented openly and fully. Then…I felt this Amazing thing…like something very heavey had been lifted off of me. Like I could fly! light as a feather! Then, through that I felt an incredible love, it was like light going through each cell of my body! I have never felt anything like that since! I loved it! I wanted to be with Jesus right then. Knowing my soul was ready if the Lord was to take me then. This incredibly indescribable pure light love flowing through each cell felt also indescriblable! The LOVE was of God and I knew it! That PURE LOVE was so clean, not like our greedy, selfish love. It was tremendous! Amazing and no words can fully describe it! I knew I had met the Holy Spirit/God/JesusChrist who is the Lord and Savior of my life! I find it hard to describe to people. Especially those who do not believe. I feel sorry for them. I am praying for them to recieve their spiritual sight. God is so wonderful. I wish they could know. I am 53 years old now, and have been through so much in life. Good and Bad, but…my testamoney is real. I can still feel that blessing of the Lord in my body. He loves us so much. I wish people would really look for Him. He is there…waiting. You just have to believe and call on Him. May God bless you in your search for the King of Kings. Lord of Lords! He is waiting for anyone to just call on Him and trust Him.

]]> By: Wade Keeverhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40099 Wade Keever Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:23:12 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40099 As far as I am concerned, anything or anyone who speaks direct contradictions in respect of the Word of God is wrong! If "Conversations with God" answers questions with answers that contradict what the Bible says, then CWG is WRONG. Some of us believe that the KJV of the Holy Bible is the in-errant Word Of God and that settles it. I know that some of the words in the KJV Bible do not appear in the oldest manuscripts and so forth, but I believe that God prepared the KJV to be my copy of what God said and wants me to know. The things that I do not understand will be explained when I meet The Lord. I believe that Jesus died for my sin punishment and then rose from the dead to prove that he was God. I have put my faith and trust in Him as my saviour. I try to live for Him. My life is pretty happy. Once in a while, there are rocks in the road, but I feel good about my life here and hereafter. Now, I might be wrong. But I am resting all my care on Him and leaving it to Him to take me to Heaven when I die. What if those who say "It is only a myth" are wrong. What hope do they have? If I am wrong, I have lived a blessed life and will die and there will be nothing after. OK. What if the unbelievers are wrong? They will be spending eternity in the torments of FIRE, FALLING, AND DARKNESS. I like my position, looking forward to an eternity in the presence of God. How do you like yours? What do you have to look forward to? As far as I am concerned, anything or anyone who speaks direct contradictions in respect of the Word of God is wrong! If “Conversations with God” answers questions with answers that contradict what the Bible says, then CWG is WRONG. Some of us believe that the KJV of the Holy Bible is the in-errant Word Of God and that settles it. I know that some of the words in the KJV Bible do not appear in the oldest manuscripts and so forth, but I believe that God prepared the KJV to be my copy of what God said and wants me to know. The things that I do not understand will be explained when I meet The Lord. I believe that Jesus died for my sin punishment and then rose from the dead to prove that he was God. I have put my faith and trust in Him as my saviour. I try to live for Him. My life is pretty happy. Once in a while, there are rocks in the road, but I feel good about my life here and hereafter. Now, I might be wrong. But I am resting all my care on Him and leaving it to Him to take me to Heaven when I die. What if those who say “It is only a myth” are wrong. What hope do they have? If I am wrong, I have lived a blessed life and will die and there will be nothing after. OK. What if the unbelievers are wrong? They will be spending eternity in the torments of FIRE, FALLING, AND DARKNESS. I like my position, looking forward to an eternity in the presence of God. How do you like yours? What do you have to look forward to?

]]> By: Garyhttp://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/comment-page-1#comment-40035 Gary Mon, 18 May 2009 19:28:09 +0000 http://www.shanktified.com/archives/hoax-dr-dobsons-call-to-ban-conversations-with-god/#comment-40035 That hoax comes across as twisted humor: Dr. Dobson's call to ban "Conversations with God" juxtaposed with chairwoman of the National Day of Prayer Task Force Shirley Dobson's call for prayer to God.The book sounds like trash. That hoax comes across as twisted humor: Dr. Dobson’s call to ban “Conversations with God” juxtaposed with chairwoman of the National Day of Prayer Task Force Shirley Dobson’s call for prayer to God.

The book sounds like trash.

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